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    I never checked my testosterone level after TC experience. My sexual life is normal. But I decided to try a minimal dose of 40mg daily of Andriol Undestor Testocaps. Indeed, it has a major sexual impact. I'm feeling much strong after 1 month. No side effects. I'll continue to take and i'll keep you informed.

    all the best
    2005-03
    Stage III EC 85% + Sem 15%
    AFP=2.6; HCG=10, 20,28 and rising
    FULL CAT scan:
    -abdominal lymph clear
    -subpleural lungs metastasis [bipulmonary lesions with diam <= 1cm]
    4 x BEP changed to 3 x BEP at my request
    from 2005-05....Surveillance

  • #2
    If you continue to take it at that dose you will go lower then what you started.

    40mg per day is not the minimal dose. I would say 40mg twice a day is, my Endo put me on 4 a day!! wich even I thought was too high.


    Did you notice a decline after diagnosis?
    Would you say you are now backto pre-diagnosis or better?
    Last edited by Michael112; 02-12-07, 11:48 AM.
    Aged 23 ;; 09/06 left I/O ;; Markers normal ;; 100% Seminoma Stage 1. ;; 10x8x16mm & 7x7x8mm ;; rete testis invasion. ;; no vascular invasion. ;; surveillance. ;; HRT.

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    • #3
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      After diagnosis I felt some lack of energy sometime but I'm not sure that the testo deficiency was the cause [maybe is the persistent side effect of chemotherapy]. The sexual acrivity where like before[just the ejaculation sperm volume is less]. But my life style is agitated enough [many liters of beer , many hours of video games, night party, girls etc]. I said myself : 'After the lossing of one testicle, naturaly the testosterone level is lower than before. Let's try the minimal dose of the easiest to take form of testosterone'. Now I'm feeling even better than before. Its a sensation of power. Last night I had 4 sexual contacts [with the same girl ] during the all night, and no sign of fatigue....like at 20 years age !!! and at morning I waked up in errection [40mg is one pill and there is no smaller dose. ]
      Simply I just wanted to try. Maybe I'll interrupt...who knows
      Last edited by AdrianB1971; 02-12-07, 01:29 PM.
      2005-03
      Stage III EC 85% + Sem 15%
      AFP=2.6; HCG=10, 20,28 and rising
      FULL CAT scan:
      -abdominal lymph clear
      -subpleural lungs metastasis [bipulmonary lesions with diam <= 1cm]
      4 x BEP changed to 3 x BEP at my request
      from 2005-05....Surveillance

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      • #4
        Well its good to see you have noticed an improvment. I think TRT should be an option for anyone losing a testicle but infact its still hard to aquire the treatment, if you plan to self medicate you will haveto do it while searching for a doctor wiling to put you on it legit. Endos are not the answer for quiet afew reasons.

        I was on Andriol then tried a shot of testosterone and now I am on testogel, delivery method makes a big diffrence, and I came to the conclusion andriol is rubish, and every doctor will agree. The problem with andriol is you get a spike wich converts a lot to estrogen and DHT, then it just levels off soon after, if you were to try a diffrent method you will notice a higher quality in the benefits you are seeing now.
        Aged 23 ;; 09/06 left I/O ;; Markers normal ;; 100% Seminoma Stage 1. ;; 10x8x16mm & 7x7x8mm ;; rete testis invasion. ;; no vascular invasion. ;; surveillance. ;; HRT.

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        • #5
          .

          you are right. The high rate of andriol conversion into estrogen is an unpleasent effect. But the injections and skin patches are not very atractive to me.

          Read this :

          "Teens are at a time in their lives when testosterone levels are already very high. So if you are considering taking testosterone supplements it is best to wait until you are past 30 when your testosterone levels start to lower.

          My opinion is that testosterone supplements can be very effective in gaining strength and mass but it is best to wait until you are ready for them and are able to make an educated decision."

          I think, after 30 years a men should consider the testo supplements [espeacialy after lossing one testicle].
          Last edited by AdrianB1971; 02-12-07, 01:55 PM.
          2005-03
          Stage III EC 85% + Sem 15%
          AFP=2.6; HCG=10, 20,28 and rising
          FULL CAT scan:
          -abdominal lymph clear
          -subpleural lungs metastasis [bipulmonary lesions with diam <= 1cm]
          4 x BEP changed to 3 x BEP at my request
          from 2005-05....Surveillance

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          • #6
            That statement seems to be coming from a bodybuilding point of view or for people who have 2 working testicles.
            Edit: correction it is from a bodybuilding article
            That is ment as using it as a steroid cycle not a life long replacement therapy, its completly diffrent circumstances.

            I am 23 and I had serious quality of life issues after my orchiectomy(low energy, depression, lack of intrest in life, loss of erection quality, etc pretty much all the side effects of low T) infact even before then, the tumour had me suspicious because I was having trouble in the gym.


            Just from reading the other forums here about people who had elevated bHCG or gyno without realising any effect in there quality of life goes to show it is under-reported and underdiagnosed, I think everyone here has been effected one way or another from lowered testosterone level but just doesnt realise it, I think they mostly atribute it to the effects of chemo or stress related from the diagnosis, but I dont think anyone with 1 testicle is going to be putting on optimal amount of mass in the gym or having a great sex life, and great sex life I mean having sex with your partner 10+ times a week.
            The only benefit I can see is if you are an endurance athlete, the decrease in type 2 fast twitch muscle fibers from lowered testosterone, and the assumed performance increase from elevated LH levels would probly be of benefit.

            You need to take into account that the lowered T from testicular cancer doesnt start to happen from the orchiectomy, but starts when the tumour forms, and that could be years before diagnosis.

            Have you considered the gel? I am on it now and I find it a lot easier then the Andriol, wich has to be taken with a meal containing fat.
            Last edited by Michael112; 02-12-07, 05:16 PM.
            Aged 23 ;; 09/06 left I/O ;; Markers normal ;; 100% Seminoma Stage 1. ;; 10x8x16mm & 7x7x8mm ;; rete testis invasion. ;; no vascular invasion. ;; surveillance. ;; HRT.

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            • #7
              .

              yes, i wish to try gel but it seems that ony in USA it can be found. I asked for it here, in Romania, and no form of gel is present on the market.
              Once again : i'm tooking about Testosterone Suplementation ! not Replacement. The great advantage with Undestor is that it has no liver toxicity. The conversion in free T is poor indeed but i not need TRT. Ony some little supplement. I'll quit the 40mg daily to see the result
              2005-03
              Stage III EC 85% + Sem 15%
              AFP=2.6; HCG=10, 20,28 and rising
              FULL CAT scan:
              -abdominal lymph clear
              -subpleural lungs metastasis [bipulmonary lesions with diam <= 1cm]
              4 x BEP changed to 3 x BEP at my request
              from 2005-05....Surveillance

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              • #8
                You cant suppliment testosterone, and andriol does have liver toxicity still.

                Have happens when you introduce a tiny amount of testosterone into your body is it lowers LH and FSH and whenever they get lowered they take time to go up again, so you end up with a lower amount of T then when you started, even an endocrinologist will know this.
                Aged 23 ;; 09/06 left I/O ;; Markers normal ;; 100% Seminoma Stage 1. ;; 10x8x16mm & 7x7x8mm ;; rete testis invasion. ;; no vascular invasion. ;; surveillance. ;; HRT.

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                • #9
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                  The HRT question is indeed a puzzle.
                  Last edited by AdrianB1971; 02-14-07, 05:48 AM.
                  2005-03
                  Stage III EC 85% + Sem 15%
                  AFP=2.6; HCG=10, 20,28 and rising
                  FULL CAT scan:
                  -abdominal lymph clear
                  -subpleural lungs metastasis [bipulmonary lesions with diam <= 1cm]
                  4 x BEP changed to 3 x BEP at my request
                  from 2005-05....Surveillance

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                  • #10
                    Its not so much a puzzle, theres just things you need to know about it, like how it works, thats why I tell people theres more to it then just taking testosterone.

                    Your T should take 10-14 days to return to baseline, but give it another 2-4 weeks extra to boost back up again because you may of just surpressed it abit with that Andriol.
                    Aged 23 ;; 09/06 left I/O ;; Markers normal ;; 100% Seminoma Stage 1. ;; 10x8x16mm & 7x7x8mm ;; rete testis invasion. ;; no vascular invasion. ;; surveillance. ;; HRT.

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                    • #11
                      I'm interested to know what you plan to do with this situation, are you going to continue on TRT?

                      Personally I feel almost everyone here is not aware of the effects of low T after TC, maybe because they are not in touch with themselves on how they feel or they think its just side effects from chemo or radiation, as I have seen here guys with gyno(temporary or not) and elevated bHCG not knowing they had a problem, and now you having a big improvment with only 1 cap, a dose wich should be sending you below a normal T level.

                      I feel TRT should be offered to TC survivors. I hate to mention that I dont really understand the mentality of some guys who arnt fussed about quality of life in regards to a decrease in testosterone from losing a testicle, I see lots of guys in there 40s and 50s wanting libido aids, such as the ones you see in shops that have tribulis and other herbs in it, yet guys in theres 20s and 30s here are like oh well doc says it works as good as 2.
                      Aged 23 ;; 09/06 left I/O ;; Markers normal ;; 100% Seminoma Stage 1. ;; 10x8x16mm & 7x7x8mm ;; rete testis invasion. ;; no vascular invasion. ;; surveillance. ;; HRT.

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