androgell help

[ryannT]

Hi everyone my doctor put me on one pack of androgel about 3 4 weeks ago I felt alright for about 2 weeks now every time I work out or ride the bike my muscles get super sore and stay sore for 2 3 days my endurance and strength feels like its dropping off more and more any thought? Could it be that my natural production is shutting down even more now? I go for a blood test this week. I want to talk to him about just doing injections. Think might be sweating most the gel off.

[Michael112]

Sounds like your level is lower then what you started off with.

Even if your symptoms improve it doesnt mean your more anabolic, and the reason for this is, because increase in estrogens can help relieve symptoms even though there not very anabolic. Also you arnt getting the troughs of low T but you arnt getting the peaks either.

So naturally lets say your TT level is 600 in the morning and 350 at the lowest and your E2 is 30 and 20. With Androgel you might have a TT level of 450 with an E2 of 30 throughout the day and night, so you will see an improvement in some symptoms but your gonna be weaker, this is just my theory.

I think you should consider injections.

[ryannT]

Yeah im going to talk to the doctor about doing weekly injections of sustanon. my last test before i started TRT was TT 200.

[Michael112]

200 is pretty low, were you having these problems before starting the gel?
I cant see how the gel would push you below 200.

And you should consider testosterone cyprionate or enanthate not sustanon.

[ryannT]

why i should consider testosterone cyprionate or enanthate not sustanon. Ive heard bad things about cyp and enth with gyno and holding water

[Michael112]

Using enanthate/cyp in most if not almost all cases has better results then using sustanon.

Sustanon has 4 esters in it, esters determine how long the testosterone stays in your system and how fast they act, 2 of the esters in Sustanon are fast/short acting with a half life of 1-2 days. If you were to inject say 40mg of Test Prop(one of the esters in sustanon), your levels would be very high for a day, and drop by the next day, but injecting 100mg of enanthate they would stay at a good level for 5-8 days.
Injecting 100mg of Sustanon per week, your levels will be very high for 1-2 days and then lowish for the next 5 days.

Water retention and gyno is caused by the aromatisation to estrogen, if you feel beter on sustanon then theres no reason why you shouldnt use it, but from a scientific POV enanthate/cyp is a more sound option, as the more steady levels should provide less conversion to estrogens, you may just need a lower dose such as 75mg per week.