Dairy, soy, and rice milk

[mstlyn]

I read a few articles about mucus causing cancer, and milk causes mucus. I am posting one such article, though I am sure most of you have heard about the connection. I do have a question.
A woman at the health food store asked if my son would be willing to make some dietary changes, and I asked her what kind of changes she meant and she mentioned the connection between dairy products and cancer.

I laughed a little and said, of all things .. Milk would be the most difficult thing for Anthony to give up.



And she said .. well there are alternatives like soy and rice milk.

Well I bought a half gallon of soy milk and a half gallon of rice milk for Anthony to try. He liked them both, but liked the soy milk best.

So of course we did some more internet searching and keep finding articles about soy milk being dangerous, and cancer causing. Soy milk also contains estrogen.

My daughter found something about rice milk causing cancer too.

The conflicting information is driving me crazy and I don't know what to think.

I figured I would bring this to you all in the hope that someone may be well informed about dairy, soy, and rice milk. The estrogen dangers (if they exist) and the cancer connection to any of them, or if the risk is real.

I am trying to make good changes in my home for my entire family, and trying to eliminate, and add anything to the diet that will help lower the risks of Anthony getting cancer again, anywhere.


Should we switch from regular milk to soy or rice? Article Below:

A Link between Mucus and Cancer

Scientists have also discovered a link between mucus production and cancer. Researchers have found that tumours secrete mucins that protect them (the tumours) from attack by the body's own immune system. Based on that knowledge a Canadian company, International Medical Innovations, has developed a screening test for cancer. Called 'LungAlert', the test requires patients to give a sputum sample, which is then analysed to determine if a specific mucin is present. The test detected lung cancers in 87 percent of study cases. Many were in the early stages when tumours can be removed surgically.

[Russell's Mom]

our path

Russell gave up milk. He had horrible milk allergies as a baby. Now he does not want it.....loved it before chemo! I will share here that Russell see's a doctor who specializes in body chemistry. She is brilliant and she has my deepest respect. I believe that she is working at the front line of information that is being looked at world wide. It is an area of medicine that has not merged with traditional practice. There is much that has been discovered. There are reliable sources for updates on discoveries. One is the alternative link to the NIH. National Institute of Health. In Germany, doctors are now allowed to practice allopathic and naturapathic medicine together and encouraged to share their reluslts. Russell is getting the best that I know of every day. There have been many "quick fix" kind of people trying to sell products, there is also a very intelligent thread to this approach to health. Stay with it and it will start to make sense. Russell's mom, Sharon

[Scott]

Well, in addition to not being a doctor, I'm not a nutritionist.

There are all sorts of studies purporting to show that practically everything we ingest is both good and bad for us. Milk may lower colon cancer risk. Milk may lower breast cancer risk. Milk may increase testicular, prostate, and breast cancer risk.

My personal motto is always, "Everything in moderation, nothing to excess."

[clyde_on]

http://notmilk.com/

Here is my 2 cents --

[petep]

I also stopped drinking milk - and I was a whole milk drinker, at least a couple glasses a day...I spent lots of time reading & researching and could not find one positive thing about milk...

My cousins wife has a rare type of cancer, no real cure...tumors keep growing and they operate....sometimes she can go 8 months without a surgery....but she has had this for 15 years....for 8 years she has had terrible stomach cramps....usually 5 days a week....she has seen every doc imaginable for this and has taken every possible med....someone suggested she stop drinking milk, which she did....and she has not cramps for 8 months since, no medications....

I agree with scott's moderation comment.

Often you find that many things we believe and take for fact, arose out of the industry itself promoting it as such....do some research on the "old 4 food groups" and you'll see that it was not science and medicine that came up with this but the various industry associations/trade groups. The four food groups came about in 1956...most do not know the the USDA revised them in 1991, based on evidence that some of the things were not really good for you in the "equal quantities" always suggested.

I still eat some red meat, and would not hesitate to put milk in cereal if that is all that is available....but I would say I've cut way back on both dairy and red meat and notice a big difference - especially when it comes to digestion and being "regular."

[mstlyn]

I also stopped drinking milk - and I was a whole milk drinker, at least a couple glasses a day...I spent lots of time reading & researching and could not find one positive thing about milk...

My cousins wife has a rare type of cancer, no real cure...tumors keep growing and they operate....sometimes she can go 8 months without a surgery....but she has had this for 15 years....for 8 years she has had terrible stomach cramps....usually 5 days a week....she has seen every doc imaginable for this and has taken every possible med....someone suggested she stop drinking milk, which she did....and she has not cramps for 8 months since, no medications....

I agree with scott's moderation comment.

Often you find that many things we believe and take for fact, arose out of the industry itself promoting it as such....do some research on the "old 4 food groups" and you'll see that it was not science and medicine that came up with this but the various industry associations/trade groups. The four food groups came about in 1956...most do not know the the USDA revised them in 1991, based on evidence that some of the things were not really good for you in the "equal quantities" always suggested.

I still eat some red meat, and would not hesitate to put milk in cereal if that is all that is available....but I would say I've cut way back on both dairy and red meat and notice a big difference - especially when it comes to digestion and being "regular."

If you notice a big difference then there is definitely a reason for it. It is nothing for Anthony to drink over half gallon of milk each day, but after I showed him the link that Scott posted about a possible increased risk for getting TC, I see a whole gallon of milk still sitting on the refridgerator shelf, unopened.

[Fed]

There are inherent risks in taking anything in excess. Skim milk has always been an integral part of my diet because it is, in essence, liquid protein. I could easily drink over a quart a day without any consequences; unfortunatlely, not everyone can.

My daughter cannot tolerate cow's milk because it gives her reflux. We noticed this when she was about a year old, and her pediatrician made the suggetion that we switch her over to soy milk. Since then, the reflux has been gone.

I guess that this is, as in all cases, dependent on the individual and hence, on the genes.

[mstlyn]

There are inherent risks in taking anything in excess. Skim milk has always been an integral part of my diet because it is, in essence, liquid protein. I could easily drink over a quart a day without any consequences; unfortunatlely, not everyone can.

My daughter cannot tolerate cow's milk because it gives her reflux. We noticed this when she was about a year old, and her pediatrician made the suggetion that we switch her over to soy milk. Since then, the reflux has been gone.

I guess that this is, as in all cases, dependent on the individual and hence, on the genes.

True, yet at the same time if there are immediate effects from anything like, stomach cramps for example .. we know that certain food, drink, medication etc .. is not right for us.

Long term effects are more complicated, and often with more serious consequences.

Have you ever read the articles about soy milk dangers? What is your take on that?

I would really love to know more about this because even though I have read information that soy is cancer causing; I also hear that soy milk is very healthy.

What studies do we listen to?

Knowing more about the facts is especially important to me now that one of my kids is dealing with cancer, and while I realize that none of us are experts, I would love any information that anyone has. Conversations with doctors, nutritionists, or even articles from reliable sources.

And,
since soy milk contains estrogen, it is even more of a concern. All my life I have heard about estrogen causing cancer. What about a man drinking something that contains estrogen? Consider also that testosterone levels have changed for men that have had orchiectomies ..

If its about individual and genes, how are we supposed to know what is good for us and what isnt?

Do we just apply moderation to everything?

We know that smoking should be avoided completely.

Has anyone ever watched the movie ...Supersize me?

I know that fast food is something we should consume in moderation, or NOT AT ALL.

Just thought I'd toss that one in there .. food for thought (pun intended)

[Russell's Mom]

milk and soy allergy

Not too long ago, learned that I was allergic to milk and soy. (MD diagnosed) I had absolutely no clue. The doctor said that everytime I took milk or soy into my system, it would be more antagonistic than supportive because of the allergic reaction. Over time the destruction adds up. I can still eat anything with no problem....at least visible problem. There are interesting article conclusions on Pubmed and Avant labs sites. It is a very active topic these days, many discoveries and still many unknowns. Mostly I am fasinated to learn how the body works and reacts. There is still so much to learn. Another safe and interesting area that I have explored is accupressure. Similar to accupuncture but not invasive. We used it during chemo with pretty good success. It is not the high powdered result that prescription meds are, but is effective none the less. Also, long term type improvements. Again this could be my knowledge...I understand that they can do neurosurgery using accupucnture for anesthesia alone. I love how the healing arts are starting to blend in a positve syncronistic way. Russell's Mom, Sharon

[Scott]

Do we just apply moderation to everything?

We know that smoking should be avoided completely.

Point well taken.