To everyone with remaining testicular pain!

[Michael112]

Well I am on HCG, arimidex and testogel but neither of these has helped at all, so I believe the problem is "referred pain" which amputees experience in the good limb when the opposite limb is missing, apparently exercise is suppose to help, which I cant comment on, if I had to guess I would say it does, but another thing which I believe has helped me is olive oil, it is a natural pain killer with similar characteristics of ibuprofen. Extra virgin, first cold pressed is the best.

[Michael112]

Just an update, it has improved but not significantly, I get my next blood test next month so I dont even know where I am at hormone wise but I am suspecting things arnt too bad in regards to testosterone and estrogen, infact they should be good.

[Michael112]

Orchialgia (Cronic Testicular pain) I really "get" I've been to pain doctors and urologists to cure it. The Mumps "fried" my testes we think. I would suggest a talk with a pain doctor first. They know a lot of options, pills and potions. Surgery is a final option that works (in my case) which is why I first came here btw. I guess I'm the Token non Cancer guest.

This thread took off on men with high E2. I have had to deal with that as well. Loosing weight will do the trick. Fat + HRT = E2 in my case. If your using patches or gel testosterone (Androgel/testim) switching to injectables may help. I "think" its the rubbing of the gel into "flab" that was my issue.

I asked my GP about Arimidex. She said this was too off label for her. And you do want to watch out for crashing your estrogens too low. If posts from others are correct E2 is required for orgasm. And loosing that ability is not fun.

Its actually not that offlabel, I wish I could think of an example of something thats more offlabel. Arimidex has a lot of studies in men and on wikipedia it has a section for use in men with hypogonadism. I am getting follow up tests to determine if my E2 is within a good range.
The sort of discomfort I was having is usually treated with anti-depressents its not the sort of pain pain-killers are going to take care of.
Im not big on bandaid fixes but this wasnt the only reason for the arimidex. The problem with high E2 is that one of the symptoms is its impossible to lose weight.

[JamesC]

Orchialgia (Cronic Testicular pain) I really "get" I've been to pain doctors and urologists to cure it. The Mumps "fried" my testes we think. I would suggest a talk with a pain doctor first. They know a lot of options, pills and potions. Surgery is a final option that works (in my case) which is why I first came here btw. I guess I'm the Token non Cancer guest.

This thread took off on men with high E2. I have had to deal with that as well. Loosing weight will do the trick. Fat + HRT = E2 in my case. If your using patches or gel testosterone (Androgel/testim) switching to injectables may help. I "think" its the rubbing of the gel into "flab" that was my issue.

I asked my GP about Arimidex. She said this was too off label for her. And you do want to watch out for crashing your estrogens too low. If posts from others are correct E2 is required for orgasm. And loosing that ability is not fun.

[Michael112]

This is my 10th day on arimidex at .5mg every 3 days.

Its a lil too early to tell but this is pretty much the longest I have gone without any discomfort, last week I did feel some pain when I jumped, that is the only thing I have noticed.

Basicly its still existent but I dont notice it at all unless I do something which can agrivate it. I will comment again in about 3 weeks time.

[Michael112]

I had cysts show up on my initial U/S when I had no pain. So I doubt it is the problem, but seeing as though cysts are being talked about I will mention that I have heard vitamin E can help them drain.

[Michael112]

Well I was on DIM for about 5 days, at 1 capsule per day.
It felt like it lowered my E2 but I stopped after 5 days because I found out I will be going on Arimidex, if I do I will be starting it tommorow. I have a script and I fill it as soon as my doctor gives me the ok after we both recieve my latest E2 and T levels tommorow.

I cant really recomend DIM, coming off it I had hot flashes(symptoms of a fall in hormones, or T:E ratio shift for the worse) and agitation(symptoms of a rise in E2). I remember when I used to take it before it gave me hot flashes for the random times I took it. DIM is not an aromatase inhibitor and works by helping the liver clear estrogen and due to the side effects I assume other hormones too.

Will keep you guys posted about the Arimidex in the next 2 weeks.

[Michael112]

Yep its from bodybuilding just like the use of armidex with TRT.

My GSE is 100mg per capsule and I take 3 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon.
ZMA you can take 2-3 capsules daily.

Like I said it doesnt knock the discomfort out but it helps, I have also been once again recomended DIM which I have started again, so in the following 2 weeks I am going to be taking
3 ZMA capsules 1st thing in the morning
300mg GSE twice a day (these are much smaller capsules than the ZMA)
indoplex DIM (which I will comment on in 1-2 weeks)

Actually the person with the testicular pain was on HRT for low T not steroids, and the testicular pain ceased once taking proper medication to lower estrogen, which was high due to testosterone replacement.
Estrogen dominance happens in 2 circumstances, taking Testosterone replacement and not naturally producing enough testosterone.

[oscar666]

Will Try

Michael112,

Thanks again.
I should read the whole thread before trying to buy the suggested ingredients in my local pharmacy and natural supplements store :
It is bodybuilders’ science, what you describe (isnt't it) and I just should go to such type of pharmacy
Finally, I found everything, but I have a dosage question.
ZMA has a little commercial hint and gives the “values per serving” 3 pills ?
Actually one pill contains 150mg Magnesium 10mg Zinc and 3.5mg Vitamin B6
The grape seed extract (big capsules) I found are something like 50 or 60 mg.
How much of these I should take per day?
(According to your suggestion that gives 5-6 capsules (!) grape seed + 3 pills ZMA; doesn’t “sound” so healthy, and the price comes about 2$ per day for this test)
I will try.
Hopefully, your bodybuilder buddies had and managed the pain caused by testosterone balance you described and not by all other sh** they take to be strong

Peter (oscar666)

[kellyrulez]

It's been 2 months since my I/O, and I have fairly constant pain in the survivor. Examinations by both my oncologist and urologist merely found the cyst/spermatocele that I have, but nothing at/on the testis. I'll have an US next week which will hopefully provide some (more) information.

Does anybody have somewhat scientific information on what causes the pain in the remaining testicle? I'd be very interested in that.

[fuse929]

I haven't taken any type of vitamins/supplemts since my I/O, and I don't have pain the remaining testicle any more. I had pain "pangs" a few times a day for the first 4-6 weeks, but in retrospect, I believe the pain was due to constantly checking to be sure the survivor was healthy.....and the survivor growing to meet the needs of the body. I haven't had pains for the last 2-3 weeks.

[Michael112]

Bumping this up for feedback/updates.

[Michael112]

I dont have high estrogen levels, and my testicule hurts sometimes. all my other levels are good to. so ?

I would really like to see the study of that

got a link?

It is most likely your endo thinks your estrogen levels are normal when really there not but are still in range. I have not come across a study to show high estrogen causes testicular pain but it has been reported by many bodybuilders who have had high estrogen levels due to steroids, they claim the pain goes away after they take an aromatase inhibitor.

[Michael112]

Aromatase = enzyme in body which converts testosterone to estrogen in both males and females, female source of testosterone = adrenal glands.
Estrone = 1 of 3 estrogens
Estradiol = 2nd of the 3 estrogens


Estrogen lowers daily as your testosterone levels lower, and are highest in the morning along with higher levels of testosterone. The rest of this paragraph is all speculation: I would imagine they tend to stay at roughly the same ratio. For some reason an i/o does change the ratio, I am not a doctor so I wouldnt know how but I would imagine its due to the ratio of aromatase enzyme and testosterone changing, so a higher % of testosterone gets converted, and also I have heard LH tends to stimulate aromatase somehow(dont have confirmation on that one).

One thing is for sure is that an i/o does significantly increase the tendancy for estrogen dominance.

The consequences of having too high estrogen in males are increase risk of breast cancer, increased and feminized fat distribution(hips, breasts), less firmer erections, lowered fertility, poorer concerntration, mood swings, low libido, much poorer quality of sex in general.

The concequences of having too low estrogen are bad aswell and include some of the above but I wont go into them, but one of them is increase risk of bone fracture. I dont believe natural suppliments can lower Estrogen below a safe level.

FTR, after my i/o my estrone(a more friendly estrogen, which is what testosterone tends to convert to the most) was actually low, while estradiol(the more potent feminizing estrogen which arimidex targets) was high.

[fuse929]

Zinc and Grape seed extract both lower estrogen which in turn raises testosterone, the testicular pain is due to a hormone imbalance(this pain only happens to some guys who have high estrogen levels.)

Are estrogen levels a constant, or can they be altered through an I/O? I've never had symptoms of high estrogen from what I can tell. Also, I know the male body needs a certain amount of estrogen to stay healthy.......do these supplements possible lower estrogen to an unsafe level?
Do you know if there are long term effects to having higher than normal estrogen levels?

Bobby